Disclaimer: There will be information that will be posted on this entry that are sexually graphic. If you are offended by it, please do not read this entry. This entry is to shed light on a side of Michael that is not really known publicly.
This time around, this entry is all about the third installment of Ladies that were in Michael's life. In the second part of this series, I explored the women that were linked to Michael through dates, relationships and engagements with/to him in the two decades: the 1970s and the 1980s. This entry will focus on the women who were linked to him through "marriages", dates, relationships and flings from the 1990s up until his murder in 2009. This entry will also focus on a section called "Honorable Mentioning".
I wanted to state that in the second installment of this series, I did not mentioned that Ola Ray was in the process of writing a book about her time with Michael and the entertainment business. I am not sure if Ola Ray is still in the process of writing this book or if she decided not to write any book. I also forgot to mentioned that she was flirting with the idea of becoming a singer. I must have been nice the day I did the entry because I would had a field day with that one. Another thing I forgot to mention was that Tatiana Yvonne (last name was Thumbtzen) had a website in which people can purchase her drawings she did on Michael. As far as I know, the website no longer exists.
I want to state that in this blog entry, I will not add Debbie Rowe on the list of women that Michael was romantically connected to. I made it clear on my twitter, tumblr accounts and this blog that I am not a fan of Debbie Rowe. Anyone that chooses millions of dollars over being a mother to two children does not even deserve 1% of support from me. There will be fans (Why? I do not know.) who will totally disagree with my decision but I feel that Michael never loved Debbie and Debbie was only interested in getting paid. After Michael's death when the children were going to be raised by their grandmother Katherine, Debbie released some sort of statement or someone was speaking for her in which she stated that she did not want the children anywhere near their own grandfather, Joseph Jackson. I guess Debbie did not know that the children she did not help raise already met their grandfather years ago and love him unconditionally. Nothing that she could have stated or would have done would have changed anything. A dead-beat, greedy and pathetic parent does not have a say in how their black children that they never cared about should be raised.
Finally, before I get into the rundown of the women, I wanted to state that Liza Minnelli, the daughter of the late entertainer Judy Garland, an entertainer herself and a "good friend" of Michael's stated that
‘I remember he was going with this girl and he was so in love with her. He came to show me the ring he’d bought for her. I asked him what he was going to say and he didn’t know. So I said: “Let’s rehearse,” and that’s what we did.‘But the girl turned him down. She said she wasn’t ready to commit right now. She told him to ask again in six months. And it all but killed him. He was heartbroken. I knew all his girlfriends including Lisa Marie who became his wife.’
Also, in the article, she stated that Joseph Jackson,
‘Michael’s life was precisely the one dictated by his father. The family’s religion [the parents are Jehovah’s Witnesses] means the children weren’t even meant to be in show business. But, when they started making money for their father, that was it. Michael was used and abused almost from the time he was born.
This woman is lying. I do not want to focus on the subject of Michael's father for this entry (trust me, it will be a subject on a future blog entry) but I find it odd that after all of the rumors that people stated about Michael being "gay" and a so called "pedophile" why didn't Liza ever stated these things? Why go after Joe Jackson for his parenting skills if the abuse and the so called being used aspect did not kill Michael? Did she not know that Michael stated that he would never changed a thing about how he was bought up? Did she even know that Michael forgave his father and that he had a good relationship with him? Why is she talking about Michael's love life and stating that Michael "distanced" himself from the very same family that were there for him during his hard times when Liza Minnelli was barely there? The weird thing about the woman that Michael was supposedly going to propose marriage to was that Flo Anthony was asked on the radio show back in January about what Liza Minnelli stated and she basically confirmed what Liza stated. I think that these women are creating multiple lies so that the truth about the real women in Michael's life never comes out. I will use this blog to make sure that everything comes out.
Michael looked just so wonderful.
HHW: Is there anything else that you would like to share about Michael?
TR: I know Michael Jackson is a woman lover, trust. Dude gets it in. And you know, coming from New York, I'm keeping it real, I have only told a close, close friend that I just couldn't believe how he gets it in. One, I can't even express that to anybody, cause n----- just don't understand. But that is just keeping it real. He is a real dude. He's human. He has a child life in him. So he deserves to be a baller and a player sometimes. Keep it real.
Yeah, it will be keeping it real, indeed. This entry will focus on the women that Michael was romantically linked to in the 1990s up until the last years of Michael's life. This is a rundown of who Michael was rumored to be dating, had relationships with, married and had children with, excluding Debbie Rowe. Honorable mentioning is about the women that Michael had crushes on or he dated/had sexual relations with but not enough information is out there to establish what type of relationship he had with those women.
Michael with the playboy bunnies. Michael looked happy having his fun.
Madonna stated that she idolized Michael when she was growing up in the suburbs of Detroit, Michigan and when she made it big in 1984, she met Michael backstage of the classic Victory tour. At that time, Madonna was managed by Michael's then manager Freddy DeMann. It was assumed that Madonna wanted to have DeMann as a manager because she wanted to be a big star like Michael. After their first meeting, both pop stars became friends and even shared the same choreographer and songs - well almost. Michael was given the song, "La Isla Bonita" for his upcoming Bad album but he turned it down and the writer of the song, Patrick Leonard, gave it to Madonna and she used it for her 1986 True Blue album. It was rumored that she dedicated the song to Michael. Fast forward to the 1990s, Michael was finished with the amazing Bad era and was focusing on what would be in store for him in the 1990s and Madonna was filming the movie she was co-starring with movie legend and her then boyfriend (or whatever they were together), Warren Beatty, Dick Tracy. One of the songs from that movie that she sang was nominated for an Academy Award (Oscar) in 1991. Madonna did not have a date to take her to the Oscars March of that year. Madonna, after she took Michael as her date to the Oscars, talked to MTV on how she got Michael to go on a date with her to the Oscars.
Before the big night, Michael and Madonna were seen out going to, if you want to call it, "dates" to eat dinner and hang out. There were various pictures of the two hanging out. Like this one:
Michael looking at Madonna's rear. You are not seeing things.
and this one -
Michael and Madonna at some party.
Michael Bush, Michael's long time stylist, talked about the time he had a call from Michael regarding what he was going to wear to the 1991 Oscars -
"And the date he was with Madonna, do you have some..."http://www.lipstickalley.com/showpost.php?p=10301907&postcount=3516
Michael called me on the phone and said, “I’m going to go to the Oscars.”
This is so unusual for Michael to do because he wasn’t on a movie, it was just an awards show and Michael was very shy, he didn’t like to go out in public.
And he’s like, “And I’m going to go with Madonna.”
It’s like, oh, okay, and he goes… “Find out what she’s going to wear.”
And I’m going, “Michael no female is going to tell me or anybody what she’s gonna wear on the red carpet, it’s a surprise.”“But you gotta find out, we have to know!”
So we got a little bit of info that Bob Mackie was going to do her dress and she was going to wear white and pearls.
So Michael went… “Oh we gotta top her.”
Interesting. Michael and Madonna also hung out because Madonna wanted to do a song with him that we all know called "In the Closet". Michael wanted to do the song his way, but Madonna had another way of doing the song and Michael did not want to do the song her way. Madonna thought that "In the Closet" was about coming out of the closet and she had this whole idea of Michael doing all sorts of things. Michael was not into the things that Madonna was into and he decided not to use her idea. Good for you, Michael!
There was a story about the time Michael and Madonna were out together and a member of the paparazzi wanted to get close to them. A paparazzo name Alex Olivieria won a suit against Michael that was over $250,000 because one of Michael's bodyguards "rough him up" after he caught Michael and Madonna in the back seat of a car. This is the info -
This is interesting.
It is rare for paparazzo to win an arbitration award in court. Now, that might not mean a lot to some people, but why would Michael ordered his bodyguard to go after the paparazzo like that? Was Michael trying to hide something and was afraid that the so called "photographer" would leak it? When I was doing research for this blog entry, I noticed that Michael and Madonna were still hanging out with one another. A fellow MJ fan from the messageboard/website lipstickalley.com did some digging and found out that Michael and Madonna were still hanging out after the Oscars. Read on -
"Newsday, April 18, 1991 Are Madonna and Michael Jackson up to the kissing stage yet? As unbelievable as it may seem, we hear Madonna has confided (OK, blabbed) that she and Jackson “suck face,” but that’s as far as their relationship goes.http://www.lipstickalley.com/showpost.php?p=8617842&postcount=16496
Chicago Tribune, May 14, 1991… about her on-again off-again cross-dressing video with Michael Jackson (it’s off again)-”He ran away from me,” the Material Girl told reporters Monday at the Cannes Film festival.
Joe Mantegna, talking about the filming of MJ’s Pepsi Commercial, sometime May 4th -22nd 1992 Joe Mantegna who worked on a commercial with Madonna in 1992 remembers that Michael was also working on a commercial in a studio nearby. He said that Madonna walked in and Michael was telling him something like, “You know Madonna can be naughty, a bad girl. Sometimes she needs to be spanked.” He hadn’t realized Madonna was standing right behind him.“Director Joe Pytka tells US she [Madonna] visited him [Michael Jackson] on the set of an ad once: “They hung out for a while. It was a big surprise!”
Ok, so what was the deal with their relationship? What happened between them? What broke off their relationship? Did they even had a relationship? Well, the answer could be found in what both of them stated about one another in the past. The Rabbi Boetach was a "spiritual adviser" to Michael before Michael got rid of him from stealing money from his "Heal The World" charity back in 2001. Michael and this Rabbi individual were going to come together to participate in a book that the Rabbi was writing. That book became Michael Jackson Tapes: A Tragic Icon Reveals his Soul in Itimate Conversations. In the tapes, Michael talks about the time he spent with Madonna. To be fair, Madonna revealed in the Rosie O'Donnell Show in the 1990s that she wanted to changed Michael's looks and was joining in with Rosie O'Donnell bashing Michael. (O'Donnell was never a fan of Michael's but karma is real and Rosie got hers when Michael's good friend, Donald Trump, makes every effort to trash the woman. You got to love it.) At least Michael made sure to get his chance to swing back at Madonna when he discussed her with the Rabbi. Keep in mind that the Rabbi was never a fan of Madonna and could not stand her. So, let's examined what Michael stated about Madonna -
"She is not a nice person," Jackson told Boteach. Jackson revealed how he and Madonna had bickered about where they would socialize."Madonna laid the law down to me before we went out. [She said] I am not going to Disneyland, OK? That's out," Jackson said. "I said, 'I didn't ask to go to Disneyland.' She said, 'We are going to the restaurant. And afterwards, we are going to a strip bar.'"I said, 'I am not going to a strip bar, where they cross dress. ... I am not going to there. If that's how it is, forget this whole thing. ... Afterwards, she wrote some mean things about me in the press. And I wrote that she is a nasty witch, after I was so kind to her," Jackson said.
Jackson told Boteach, "I think she (Madonna) likes shock value and she knows how to push buttons on people. I think she was sincerely in love with me and I was not in love with her. She did a lot of crazy things. I knew we had nothing in common. She is not sexy at all. I think sexy comes form the heart in the way you present yourself."
The "Thriller" icon believed Madonna was one of several stars who envied his fame: "They admire you and know you are wonderful and great because they are jealous, because they wish they were in your shoes. Madonna is one of them. She is jealous. She is a girl, a woman and I think that's what bothers her...I get the fainting and adulation and she doesn't."
To be honest, I am glad that Michael spoke his mind about Madonna. I always wanted to know what their time together was like. However, knowing that Michael tells things his way, there has to be a good reason why he felt that way about her. Think about it: everyone, including Michael, knew about Madonna's ways so why did he even go on dates with her? If he knew that she was not the type of woman that he would bring home to his mother, then why did he bother going on a date or dates with her? Was it because he was curious? Was it because he wanted to know what made her tick? Was it because he has never met a woman that was an alpha-female competing with his alpha-male personality? These two had basically nothing in common and yet Michael freely went out with on dates with her and she visited him backstage at one of his concerts in 1993 for the Dangerous tour. It is clear that Michael was not a fan of Madonna and I do not think any sane, reasonable person is but why would he decide to go on various dates with her? He had to at least like a few things about her. That would be the only reason why he even bothered with her. BTW, when I was doing research on this I found out that Madonna did not like to do a certain sexual act on a man. I am not going to reveal what it is but could that be why Michael was that way about her? I know there are people reading this with a side-eye but there are men that will find every reason not to like a woman. There was probably something Michael wanted her to do but she was not willing to do it. I will leave it at that. I do believe that Michael and Madonna kissed and probably made out but I doubt they had sex. Madonna turned Michael off completely. Michael was on the money about Madonna being jealous. That woman was jealous of everyone. Just ask Lady Gaga.
After doing my research on this subject, a poster from LSA might have given some clarity in Michael's relationship with Madonna -
"About Madonna, when they weren't getting on each others nerves which was often they made an alright pair. But on Michaels end there wasn't a spark. She was one of those girls that fell harder than he expected."
That makes sense.
Of course, like so many people who found out when Michael passed away, Madonna was devastated and wanted to remember the Michael she knew. Madonna wrote a piece about Michael to Rolling Stone (their website) and I thought what she stated about him was more of regret than remembrance -
"I was madly in love with him, totally smitten," she said. "He was mind-bogglingly talented. The songs he sang were not childlike at all."Madonna later got the opportunity to meet with Jackson early on in her career, and recalled her very first encounter with the singer."I met him in the early '80s, when I first started working with my manager, Freddy DeMann, who at the time was managing Michael Jackson. I saw him play at Madison Square Garden, and I was blown away. He was flawless. There was a party at the Helmsley Palace Hotel. He was very shy, but it was a thrill for me." she revealed.Later on, the two shared a great deal in common, and not just the fact that they were both media icons and were born in the same month and year. They attempted working together but ultimately never did."There was a period of time when we hung out," she told the magazine. "He wanted to work with me, I think he wanted to get to know me, and I wanted to do the same. When you write with somebody, it's a weird experience, you feel vulnerable and shy. When I worked with Justin Timberlake I felt that way. To write songs together is a very intimate experience, like getting tossed into a juggernaut: 'On your mark, get set, create!' You have to get past these hurdles, which are, 'I want to impress this person, but will they think my ideas are stupid? What if their ideas are stupid? Can I be honest with them? Will they be offended?' You end up talking and gabbing and socializing, and you have to do that in order to get to the next level, to be creative."So that's what we were doing: watching movies, having dinner, hanging out, going to the Oscars, being silly, seeing if we could work," she continued. "He got relaxed. He took off his sunglasses, had a glass of wine, I got him to laugh."As she noted during her VMA speech, Madonna stressed the difficulty that Jackson's childhood must have presented for him."All I have are my opinions, I wasn't very close to him. It's good to have a good childhood and a sense of yourself in the world before people start telling you who they think you are," she said. "Where you can make mistakes and have a sense of innocence. It gives you a sense of confidence. I don't think he started off that way. Did he have any sense of himself outside of the world of being adored and famous? It's hard to survive like that. I think he felt insecure about the attention he got, and had a love-hate relationship with his job."She also spoke of her admiration for MJ's songwriting ability. "I'd wished I'd written "Billie Jean" and "Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'." What song didn't I love?" she said.As someone who can understand what it's like to be in the glare of media attention for years on end, Madonna had some sad observations about MJ's final years."He didn't seem to have any close friends. And in the last decade, everybody abandoned him, or wrote him off as crazy," she said. "People have said so many things about me that aren't true, and I never once had a second thought that the accusations against him might be true. But he didn't seem to have a way to deal with that, publicly or privately, and it can destroy you. When he died, everyone was saying what a great genius he was, but it's important to appreciate things before you lose them. It's a great tragedy."http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1624260/madonna-opens-up-about-michael-jackson.jhtml
Well, at least she grew up.
*Update - May 28, 2017:
Once again, Madonna wants to feel relevant again. She did an Carpool Karaoke with that late night talk show host and MJ hater, James Corden. In the segment, she was asked about Michael and yes, Michael kissed this woman.... Anyway, here is the video -
Shana Mantagal first met Michael when she was 14 years old in her native Washington D.C. when she entered a contest to met Michael. That was the first and last time she met him until in 1990 when she worked with Michael's then manager Sandy Gallin. Shana was also and up and coming actress appearing in various shows like A Different World and The Fresh Prince of Bel Air to name a few. According to her 2003 interview with the tabloid show Entertainment Tonight, it was revealed that she had a relationship with Michael from 1990 -1997, even while he was married to both Lisa Marie Presley and Debbie Rowe. I remembered when I first saw this interview and I was happy to see a black woman talking about dating Michael. I was relieved and elated. I wanted to know all about her time with Michael. Shana did another interview, this time with the tabloid magazine Us Weekly,
Shana on Us Weekly back in 2003.
where she talks a little more about her time with Michael. I remembered when I communicated with the promotional guy and I asked him about Shana. He told me that it was true that Michael and Shana had a relationship for seven years but she was making it into something that really wasn't. He also stated that she was the "flavor of the month". That phrase can mean whatever it means to anyone else. To me, that phrase means that whenever Michael was bored, he can get some with Shana, a "side chick". That same year, Shana threw a gathering in support of Michael and his friends and family showed up to support him. That was a nice thing for her to do. In 2007, Shana was spotted with Michael in magician David Copperfield's show in Las Vegas. When Michael died in 2009, Shana was interviewed by an opportunist name Fipro Carr. When he "found out" that Shana "lied" to him, he went on a smear campaign to destroy her name and credibility. Here is what I think about the whole Michael and Shana situation: I personally have always believed her story but I felt that some things have not been asked. For example, Flo Anthony, the gossip columnist and a friend to the Jackson family, stated that when Shana found out that Michael married Lisa Marie, she came running to Flo in tears. Dramatic, I know, but I am not sure if that story is true or if it even happened. Another thing that I often wondered is why would Shana be with Michael and he never proposed to her or given her any children. Why would he leave her hanging and marry, have children with other women? Was there something about her that Michael did not like? Was Shana the type of woman that wanted to get married and have children? I wanted to know more about her time with Michael so I reached out to her via twitter and asked her.
Then, Shana responded back -
Shana's response via twitter.
There you have it. I guess I might never know what was the real deal behind their relationship. I don't have to guess about this though - yeah, they got it in.
*Update: Please read this blog entry I did two months after this blog post that relates to Shana Mangatal's credibility. I no longer believe her claims. Click here to read more -
*Update - May 28, 2017: There have been a major update in regards to Shana Mangatal's story. She continues to lie about Michael so I created a document to shows her lies and where you can read more information about her lies. Here is the link-
Naomi Campbell in 2012 going to see the Immortal Show in NYC.
No matter what anyone thinks about Naomi Campbell these days, you can't deny that during her prime, she was on fire and her career as a supermodel was red hot. Michael cast her for the role of his sexual desire for the short film, "In The Closet". I never really thought about Michael and Naomi possibly being an item until Ms. Gossip aka Flo Anthony stated that the both of them had a relationship when Flo was on the Preservation Radio Show in Janurary.
Michael with Naomi in the short film "In the Closet".
In the short film that Michael did with Naomi, even though the chemistry seemed to be there, Michael was not completely into the sexual touching that Naomi was doing to him. It could be various reasons why that could be the case. Maybe Michael was shy or he did not want to develop an obvious situation between his legs. Who knows the real reason? However, the behind the scenes of the making of the short film shows Michael really into Naomi.
When doing the research for this entry, I found out that Michael and Naomi's relationship was interesting to state the least. This poster claimed that they had more together than just sexual touching,
"Naomi is a naughty girl. According to Michael she's really good at it too. Once she calmed down they had some good times together. Mostly fooling around but full on sex did happen."http://www.lipstickalley.com/showpost.php?p=5479513&postcount=22962
Personally, I am elated that Michael never had anything more than a possible fling with Naomi. In recent years, Naomi has been in the headlines for throwing phones at her assistants and having temper tantrums on airplanes. Just imagine if she found out that Michael was messing with other women besides her? Michael would have been a bloody mess. Not a good look. It is good to know that these days, Naomi has focus her time giving back to certain charities.
Princess Stephanie of Monaco:
Princes Stephanie in recent years.
Princess Stephanie met Michael during the late 1980s because Michael was friends with her and her family. Princess Stephanie and the rest of her clan, the Royal family of Monaco, held the World Music Awards and Michael would often be a frequent nominee for the awards show. Princess Stephanie did the spoken word portion for the song "In the Closet" (what is up with these women and that song?) in which she seductively talks to Michael about their sexual encounters. She used the alias name of "Mystery Girl" so no one would know who the alias really was. Could that be more true than imagine? Why would Michael put Princess Stephanie in this song to speak to him in this way if there is nothing going on.... or was there something going on with the both of them? In 2004, Michael's father, Joe Jackson, wrote a book about his son and in the book, it was revealed that Michael did have a relationship with Princess Stephanie. Joe did not get into details on how the relationship began and ended. When Flo Anthony was asked about Michael and Princess Stephanie,
Michael with Princess Stephanie in the World Music Awards in 1996.
she stated that Michael did have a relationship with Princess Stephanie after he ended his relationship/fling with Naomi Campbell. I can safely assumed that Michael was with Naomi and Princess Stephanie at the same time, or at least it seems to be the case.
Michael Jackson with Glenda Stein. Look at how she is posing....
Glenda Stein was a woman that Michael befriended in the 1980s through her children. Michael would begin to communicate with the children and then he moved on to communicate with Glenda. Michael had various personal conversations with Glenda that were recorded unbeknownst to him and Glenda by her then husband, Sam Stein in the 1990s. The private phone conversations (as it was known) where released during the trial in 2005 by the website Hansnews.com. A "fan" bought the tapes from the owner of the website and posted all of the tapes on their blog known as "the floacist". The tapes can now be downloaded on youtube.com and the transcripts can be read on a blog that you can find on a google.com search. The reason why the phone conversations were recorded was because Sam, the then husband of Glenda believed that his then wife was spending too much time on the phone with Michael. Sam started to suspect that Glenda an Michael were having an affair. I have always believed that these two were having an affair. Flo Anthony confirmed on the Preservation Radio show that they were indeed having an affair. Why would a married woman care what a single man does whether he was Michael Jackson or the next door neighbor? Why was she so into what he was doing and why was Michael so open to tell her how he was feeling even if he was telling her whatever he wanted to tell her? In the part of the video when Michael stated to Glenda that he wrote a poem for her but he then stated that he was not trying to hit on her, what made him think that she was thinking that he was trying to hit on her? What kind of games was Michael trying to play? What was he doing communicating with a married woman?
June Chandler. Nothing else to state.
Speaking of another married woman at that time, in 1993, Michael met the family known as the Chandlers and developed a bond with them. He took the family on tour and to the 1993 World Music Awards. When things started to go weird to downright crazy, the father of Jordan Chandler, June's son, created a false story with the help of Jordan claiming that Michael sexually abused Jordan. This became known, as what I call, the Media Smear Campaign, aka, The Child Abuse Allegations. Before all things went out of control with Michael, he developed a friendship with June. When I was told a few years ago by a former friend of mine that Michael had a relationship with June Chandler, I never believed it. I did not believed that, at that time, Michael would have a relationship with a married woman, but not just a married woman but the mother of the boy who falsely accused him of child abuse. It was not until the promotional guy confirmed that rumor that I actually believe the possibility. When listing the women that Michael was sexually involved in, the promotional guy stated,
"June Chandler (the mother of punk bitch Jordan who got jealous of mommy's relationship with Michael)"
I am going to be honest, I was never interested in their relationship because I will forever view June Chandler as a woman who knew what time it was to use Michael for her own benefit. If she truly cared about Michael, she should have came forward and stated that Michael never harmed her son. However, when money starts to talk, people forget who gets hurt in the process. During the 2005 trial, June was a witness for the prosecution (not a shocker) and she sort of revealed the relationship she had with Michael. The information that I am about to post came from court transcripts that were posted on LSA months ago.
http://www.lipstickalley.com/showpost.php?p=8942530&postcount=2"A. When Jordan would go to school Michael would leave. He would return after Jordan came home from school.
Q. Where did he tell you he was going?
A. Working. No, not to Neverland. I think to his place he calls The Hideout in Century City.
Q. During those 30 nights that Michael Jackson stayed at your house, did you have dinner at your house?
The Hideout was an condo that Michael owned where he would have his dates or the women that he was in a relationship with come over to hang out with him. The fact that Michael spent 30 nights over June's home speaks volumes. If Michael is spending that much time in a married woman's home (she was separated at that time), I doubt they are talking about Walt Disney.
Lisa Marie Presley:
Lisa Marie Presley will forever be known for these things: she is the only child of the late entertainer and the "King of Rock and Roll" Elvis Presley, the first wife of Michael and soon the mother of up and coming movie star, Riley Keough. In other words, that is Lisa Marie's identity to the public. Lisa Marie first met Michael in the 1970s when her father, Elvis, introduced her to Michael. Fast forward to the 1980s and Michael met Lisa Marie again and struck up a friendship. It was not until the 1993, when Michael was going through the horror of the Media Smear Campaign/Child Abuse Allegations that he and Lisa Marie became more than friends. According to Ebony magazine from 1994, Michael propose to Lisa Marie on the phone and Michael and Lisa Marie got married at the Dominican Republic shortly after that.
Michael with his then "wife" Lisa Marie in 1994.
"Lisa Marie, however, led him to believe they would have a family of their own, but stayed on the pill anyway because even if she said she was a rebel, the little
bitch didn't want mommy dearest to get mad at her for having a lil
black child. Mike found the pills, split, messed around with a couple of
other women with the goal of getting one pregnant just to hurt Lisa. "
She was mad. Oh well.
"Presley knows that the world has never thought about her in quite the same way since her second marriage, her 1994 union with Michael Jackson. She is infuriated by this and by the notion that she wanted anything else out of it other than those things most people hope for in a marriage. 'All I did get out of it was a shit storm', she says. 'And I got out of it. Now people go, 'You seem somewhat sane, you seem pretty together -- what the hell was that all about?' It put a stigma on me. A 'What the hell was she thinking?' stigma'.She says that Jackson first tried to get in touch with her when she was a teenager. She got a message through her lawyer -- 'He wants to meet you; he thinks you're very pretty' -- but she blew it off: 'I was completely in love with Danny, and I thought he was weird, and I had no interest in meeting him'.A few years later a friend called and said that Jackson wanted to hear a demo she had made. She wasn't interested in being on his label but was persuaded it would at least be good manners to take the meeting. They were introduced at the friend's house, and that is how it started.'He was very real with me off the bat. He immediately went into this whole explanation of what he knew people thought of him and what the truth was'.Which was persuasive?'Yeah. You get sucked into the 'you poor, misunderstood person, you'. I'm a sucker for that. Then we sat down to talk, and he was so not what I thought he was. He was very real -- he was cursing, he was funny, and I was like, 'Wow. . . '. I fell into that 'You have this whole Howard Hughes thing that goes on in the press, and you're not anything like that'. 'But why wouldn't he want people to know that?'I don't know. I think it worked for him to manipulate that image for a little while. The hyperbaric chamber thing and all that monkey shit and the elephant shit. It made him mysterious, and I think he thought that was cool. But then it backfired, like it always does.'I was always saying, 'People wouldn't think I was so crazy if they saw who the hell you really are: that you sit around and you drink and you curse and you're fucking funny, and you have a bad mouth, and you don't have that high voice all the time. I don't know why you think that works for you, because it doesn't anymore'. 'After that first conversation, they were friends who talked. Then the child-abuse accusations surfaced, and Michael Jackson's world exploded. 'That whole shit hit the fan', Presley recalls, 'and he was quick to call me and tell me what his side of the story was, so it looked like an extortion situation. I believed him, because he was so convincing'. She frowns wryly. 'I don't know. . . . I just believed everything he said, for some reason. It's very strange, because there's not a lot of people who he'll allow to see who he really is -- there's probably only five or six people, not including kids, who have seen who he really is. But when you do . . . ' She smiles. 'He didn't get where he is because he's an idiot. You see a real person who's very much the opposite of what he was presenting'. Jackson was under attack, and it brought out Presley's protectiveness. 'I got into this whole 'I'm going to save you' thing', she says. 'I thought all that stuff he was doing -- philanthropy and the children thing and all this stuff -- was awesome, and maybe we could save the world together'. She pauses. 'OK. Hello. I was delusionary. I got some romantic idea in my head that I could save him and we could save the world'.At this point she was still married, and they were yet to become girlfriend and boyfriend. 'He called me a lot', she says. 'Confided in me a lot. Which could be very manipulative -- I don't know. I hung out with him more, and I made the mistake of saying I was not happy in my marriage, and the courting started. And I left [my marriage] probably quicker than I would have, and that was probably one of the bigger mistakes of my whole life'.When you say 'courting', do you mean as between any boy and girl?'Yeah. Flowers. Calls. Candies. You name it . . . everything started coming'.I think people are still pretty incredulous at the idea that you had any kind of normal married relationship with him.'Right'.But I presume that is the case.'That is the case. Like I said, I got caught up in this thing of 'it was all a show'. That was my first experience with being accused of that, which was shocking for me'.But, to be clear, is it fair to say that in private you were doing all the things that married people do: kissing, going to bed together, having sex?'Yeah. That was part of it, for a while. And then it became the Def Con 2. It just got really ugly at the end'.Before that, when it was good, was it your understanding that that was what he wanted?A pause. 'I don't know what he wanted anymore. I know that it looks very timely for him, in retrospect -- the record was coming out, that other shit was happening, and I was too caught up in . . . ' She stops, and recasts the thought. 'I can tell you my intentions; I can't tell you what his were'.News of their union leaked out slowly -- of a marriage in the Dominican Republic in May 1994, first denied, then confirmed. Their first surreal public appearance was opening the 1994 MTV Video Music Awards, during which -- as they stood center stage -- Jackson kissed her fully on the lips.'That was not my idea, by the way', she says. 'I was terrified. It was his manager's idea. I thought it was stupid. All of a sudden I became part of a PR machine'.It seemed like a blatant gimmick to prove -- to start with -- that he was straight.'Yeah, but again, I wasn't looking at it like that. See, if I had been, that wouldn't have ever happened'.Even stranger and more astonishing was the interview the married couple gave to Diane Sawyer in 1995, in which Presley steadfastly defended her husband, the genuineness of their relationship and his character.'I don't recognize who I was then, now, watching it', she says. 'I was really in this lioness thing with him -- I wanted to protect him. Naive as all hell. I never thought for a moment that someone like him could actually use me for any reason like that. It never crossed my mind, and I don't know why -- I'm sure it crossed everybody else's'.People are still confused by Michael Jackson's love of a certain kind of relationship with young kids, whether it's totally innocent or not. And you made a huge defense in the Diane Sawyer interview of how you watched him with kids and how it was all totally innocent. Is that what you think on reflection?'The only thing I can say is that I didn't see anything that would ever allude to that ever. Otherwise I would have been the first one out there going, 'You motherfucker'. I've got children. But I never saw anything like that. I meant what I said when I said it, because I didn't see anything weird or bizarre like that ever. And I did notice that he had an amazing connection to kids, whether it be a small baby or a two-year-old girl or a four-year-old -- children really responded to him'.Back then did you ever worry or even think whether there could be any truth in what he was accused of?'Did I ever worry? Of course I fucking worried. Yeah. I did. But I could only come up with what he told me. The only two people that were in the room was him and that kid, so how the hell was I going to know? I could only go off what he told me'.And what do you think now?She purses her lips. 'I don't know. I still don't know. I wasn't there. I never saw anything else that could possibly lead to that. And there's two sides of it. There's the side of the dad. Why would the dad take the fucking money? If I had a kid and he was molested, I would fucking take that guy and hang him by his balls off a tree and let him sit there and die like that. Nobody could buy me, ever, if my child were molested. Fuck that. I don't care if I didn't have a penny -- I would take his ass down in front of everybody'.She says, by way of recap, this: 'I understand it did affect people's perception of me. That's fine; I understand why. But I did fall in love with him. I can't say what his intentions were, but I can tell you mine was that I absolutely fell in love with him and fell into this whole thing which I'm not proud of now'.Do you rule out that he fell in love with you?'As much as he can, possibly. I don't know how much he can access love, really. I think as much as he can love somebody he might have loved me. It was always like a mind that was constantly working. It was a scary thing -- somebody who's constantly at work, calculating, calculating, manipulating. And he scared me like that'."http://www.elvis.com.au/presley/interview_lisamarie_rollingstone.shtml
Lisa Marie stated something about Michael always "calculating" and constantly at work and "manipulating". I wonder what was she expecting Michael to be doing all day? Was she expecting him to do nothing? If Michael sat around and did nothing then he would not have become the great artist that he became. Lisa Marie is a lower average individual who does not push herself to become better than what she is now. This is a woman who dropped out of high school in the 11th grade. Greatness was/is not part of her personality. Someone who is of low average would not know what it is like to constantly work and not sit around all day not doing anything. This is one of many reasons why, in my opinion, the "marriage" was fake. Michael and Lisa Marie were not equals in practically anything. They did not believe in the same religion, their ways of life were different, Michael worked while Lisa Marie spent her days being a and doing nothing. Her family, excluding her children, hated Michael while Michael's family, for some strange reason, accepted her.
"He Knew Years Ago: Michael and I were having a deep conversation about life in general.I can't recall the exact subject matter but he may have been questioning me about the circumstances of my Father's Death. At some point he paused, he stared at me very intensely and he stated with an almost calm certainty, 'I am afraid that I am going to end up like him, the way he did'.I promptly tried to deter him from the idea, at which point he just shrugged his shoulders and nodded almost matter of fact as if to let me know, he knew what he knew and that was kind of that.14 years later, I am sitting here watching on the news an ambulance leaving the driveway of his home, the big gates, the crowds outside the gates, the coverage, the crowds outside the hospital, the Cause of death and what may have led up to it and the memory of this conversation hit me, as did the unstoppable tears.A predicted ending by him, by loved ones and by me, but what I didn't predict was how much it was going to hurt when it finally happened.The person I failed to help is being transferred right now to the LA County Coroners office for his Autopsy.All of my indifference and detachment that I worked so hard to achieve over the years has just gone into the bowels of hell and right now I am gutted.I am going to say now what I have never said before because I want the truth out there for once.I loved him very much. Our relationship was not 'a sham' as is being reported in the press. It was an unusual relationship yes, where two unusual people who did not live or know a 'Normal life' found a connection, perhaps with some suspect timing on his part. Nonetheless, I do believe he loved me as much as he could love anyone and I loved him very much. I wanted to 'save him', I wanted to save him from the inevitable which is what has just happened.His family and his loved ones also wanted to save him from this as well but didn't know how and this was 14 years ago. We all worried that this would be the outcome then.At that time, In trying to save him, I almost lost myself.He was an incredibly dynamic force and power that was not to be underestimated. When he used it for something good, It was the best and when he used it for something bad, It was really, REALLY bad.Mediocrity was not a concept that would even for a second enter Michael Jackson's being or actions.I became very ill and emotionally/ spiritually exhausted in my quest to save him from certain self-destructive behavior and from the awful vampires and leeches he would always manage to magnetize around him.I was in over my head while trying.I had my children to care for, I had to make a decision.The hardest decision I have ever had to make, which was to walk away and let his fate have him, even though I desperately loved him and tried to stop or reverse it somehow.After the Divorce, I spent a few years obsessing about him and what I could have done different, in regret.Then I spent some angry years at the whole situation.At some point, I truly became Indifferent, until now.As I sit here overwhelmed with sadness, reflection and confusion at what was my biggest failure to date, watching on the news almost play by play The exact Scenario I saw happen on August 16th, 1977 happening again right now with Michael (A sight I never wanted to see again) just as he predicted, I am truly, truly gutted.Any ill experience or words I have felt towards him in the past has just died inside of me along with him.He was an amazing person and I am lucky to have gotten as close to him as I did and to have had the many experiences and years that we had together.I desperately hope that he can be relieved from his pain, pressure and turmoil now.He deserves to be free from all of that and I hope he is in a better place or will be. I also hope that anyone else who feels they have failed to help him can be set free because he hopefully finally is.The World is in shock but somehow he knew exactly how his fate would be played out some day more than anyone else knew, and he was right.I really needed to say this right now, thanks for listening."http://www.elvis.com.au/presley/lisa_marie_presley_michael_jackson.shtml
When I read this, I felt that I had to let go of whatever issue I had with this woman because whether I liked it or not, Lisa Marie, like me, millions of fans worldwide, his family and children were all in the same boat. We all had to deal with the fact that we lost a person that we all loved dearly and would do anything for. I had to, in a way, forgive Lisa Marie for the comments she stated about Michael from 2003 up until now. I will never like the woman and I feel that some of the things that she stated in her 2009 statement was not really the case. I do not think that Michael was a tragic case or that he was a troubled soul. I do believe that Michael was around people who never cared about him or his well being. Lisa Marie has to deal with the fact that all of the things that she stated about Michael she could have kept it to herself.
Recently, a letter that Michael wrote to Lisa Marie was revealed because Julien Auctions were showing off the items that they were auctioning an this letter was one of them -
Isn't that a sweet letter? People don't write letters anymore.
*Update: I did a blog post where I state how I really feel about Lisa Marie Presley. Very interesting.
In 2002, a rumor started to spread that Michael became a father again and at that time, not much was known about how Michael became a father and how the child came about. As a fan, I was happy that Michael became a father for the third time and I was not that interested in how the child came about. As time went by, some information on how the child came about start to surface. A producer for the World Music Awards who was friends with Michael name Gary Pudney stated to People magazine and Access Hollywood that Michael told him that Blanket was a "surprise". That would rule out adoption and surrogacy because people plan for those things. A "surprise" in this case, meant that the child came into this world unplanned, which could only mean that Michael had a relationship with a woman and the woman ended up becoming pregnant. When I heard that Michael named his son Blanket, I thought Michael was out of his mind. Why would he name his son after a cloth that is used to sleep in? It was one of Michael's weird sense of humor moments. In November of that year, Michael dangled Blanket from a balcony in Germany and I knew at that moment that something was wrong with Michael. Fast forward to 2004 and the promotional guy came forward to tell people about the Michael Jackson that he knew and worked for. He stated about the mother of Blanket,
"until he met his third child's mother, fell very much in love with her, but he is his father's son, so he wasn't entirely faithful to her, which is why they split up shortly after she found out she was pregnant."
I was told other things about the nature of their relationship but because Blanket is a child, I will not reveal the information. I do believe, after debating this situation with others and myself, that the mother will never come forward. When I read this information on LSA when I was doing research for this entry, I have accepted the fact that Blanket's mother does not want the fame.
"she kept in touch with mj and saw blanket. i hear she didnt "sell" her baby to michael like debbie did. only reason blanket's mother wasnt around is b/c she didnt want to be famous."http://www.lipstickalley.com/showpost.php?p=9489556&postcount=2344
I do not think that Blanket's mother was not around because of the fame. Like Michael stated to Martin Bashir in that horrible 2003 documentary, the mother thought that the media was scumbag and wanted no part of it. I believe that if she were to come forward, she would have become famous and since she did not want the fame, she did not and will probably not come forward. I know that there have been other people like Jermaine Jackson, Frank Casico and Flo Anthony who all stated that Blanket came from a surrogate but I tend to believe the promotional guy who met the mother and saw Michael and the mother together. I do not believe that Michael told everything about his women to his family members because some do tell his business to the media. I believe that the reason why Frank stated what he stated because of a possible personal issue he might have with the mother or that Michael did not feel comfortable putting the mother around Frank or Jermaine. As for Flo, because of the nature of Flo's profession, I believe that Flo wanted some gossip from the mother about her time with Michael and the mother turned her down. If you listened carefully to what Flo stated about Michael's manhood, you can sense that she seemed a bit peeved when she was defending Debbie and throwing shade at the mother of Blanket. Now, these are all of my point of views as to why I think those three stated what they stated. I could be wrong and I would be shocked if I am wrong. Michael also stated that the mother was a surrogate on the Martin Bashir disaster but I feel that he stated that to protect the mother.
*Update: I posted a little more information on Blanket/Bigi's mother.
The story about a groupie name "Yvette" has been spreading around the MJ fan boards for at least a few years. It has been rumored to be completely made up but I do not think so. I feel that the story, which you can read the whole thing here (post numbers #1357 and #1358)
could be true but are based on different situations coming from women who did had flings with Michael. The promotional guy stated that when Michael was with the mother of Blanket, he had a lot of liaisons with other women. When I read this "Yvette" story, I could not help but think of the women that Michael was fooling around with while he was with the mother. When reading the story, it seems as though the person who wrote the story seemed to get into Michael's personality to the T. However, that would show more proof that a fan made up the whole because fans, particularly female fans, have been known to create fan fiction on Michael. These female fans have studied his behaviors and applied them to their laughable stories. Yet, just because this story is "not true" does not mean that it did not happened. To be fair, I have never seen anyone counter-attack the story and proved that the story was indeed not true. There was one fan that posted on some website and stated that the story was "made up". If that was the case, who was the fan that stated that and if it is made up, why is the story still being spread? Why are fans taking what one person stated as "the truth" when there is no proof that the story is indeed not true? Do you understand where I am coming from? I hope so.
Philadelphia and Atlanta girlfriends:
In 2003, after the mess that was the Martin Bashir documentary on Michael, Michael revealed to Bashir that he did not have that many girlfriends in his life. I remember going on the MJJForums.com which is now that horrible MJJCommunity.com message board and a poster, who was a frequent listener of the Wendy Williams Experience (Wendy Williams is now a talk show host) posted some information that was interesting. The poster stated that the producer of the radio show whose name was Artie or Art stated that Michael was not telling the truth about the amount of girlfriends Michael had. Artie's mother is friends with one of the members of the group, Sister Sledge and the group went on tour with the Jackson brothers (The Triumph Tour). During some downtime, the brothers, including Michael, talked about the girlfriends that they had. Michael stated that he had a girlfriend in Philadelphia and a girlfriend in Atlanta.
Michael met the late Princess Diana in 1988 when he was on his Bad tour performing at the famous Wembery Stadium. Since then, they became friends and even had late night phone conversations with one another. I do not believe that Michael had a relationship with her but he did like her a lot and wanted to be with her. Sadly, it was never meant to be.
Sideah Garrett met Michael when she recorded with him on the song "I Just Can't Stop Loving You" for the Bad album. Both Michael and Sideah did a lot of playing around like tossing food to one another. However, when Sideah wrote the classic song, "Man In the Mirror", Michael did more than congratulate her for that song. When he heard the song and liked what he heard, he gave her a kiss on the lips. It was not a hug, a high five or a kiss on the cheek. It was a full on kiss on the lips. So, was this a relationship that was starting to blossom or just a fling? Well, after reading some information about the two, I think it was probably just a fling.
Who is Michael fooling? He knows he wants to go lower. LOL.
"Siedah- great girl, they had real fun together. They respected and cared about each other alot."One more,
"She was so good at making Michael smile and laugh. Before they started dating it was obvious to me the chemistry between them would be trouble. It was a little harder than usual getting Michael to focus in the studio when she was around.http://www.lipstickalley.com/showpost.php?p=5479393&postcount=22941
He flirted with her and the other girls he brought there but Siedah and him were really sweet together. It made a few women jealous. She told me years later he did a whole lot more than tease her and throw peanuts when they were in the booth."
Well, well, well. Get out of here with that stuff.
"Beverly and Michael, it was short lived but I bet she won't forget it. They were intimate with each other and he really turned on the charm for her too. But he was having fun enjoying his freedom. She understood that and didn't try to take it to far. He was grateful for that."http://www.lipstickalley.com/showpost.php?p=5479446&postcount=22948
Vanessa L. Williams:
Vanessa L. Williams first became famous for winning the Miss America pageant in 1984 and having her crown stripped away from her because she posed nude in a porn magazine. (I am not sure if it is Playboy or Penthouse.) Vanessa met Michael in the late 1980s when she went to a party Quincy Jones was hosting. Michael saw Vanessa, talked to her and wanted to ask her out. Vanessa turned Michael down stating that she was married at the time.
Female Singer who is unknown:
"a singer that nobody cares about anymore but was the sh.it back in the day"
When I spoke to the promotional guy about this, he told me three things about the singer: 1. She was not in any of Michael's videos, 2. She had the initial "P" and 3. She is redbone ("redbone" is a term used to describe a black woman that can pass for a white woman, skin color-wise.) After listing down the possible singers that could fit that category, I still could not figure out who could be the singer. At that time, my only way of communicating with the promotional guy was on the National Enquirer message board (when they had one) and that board disappeared out of nowhere. Even though I lost my only contact with the promotional guy, I still tried to figure out who the singer was. I do believe who could have been the singer but like a lot of things that are a mystery in Michael's life, this one seems to be a mystery.
According to a poster on LSA, it was stated that Michael, in regards to Sade,
"he loved sade...wanted to ask her out but he was shy."http://www.lipstickalley.com/showpost.php?p=9489556&postcount=2344
They would have made an awesome couple. Oh well, it never happened.
Mariah Carey is the best selling female artist of all time and she was also good friends with Michael. This year, a poster on LSA posted some information that made think twice about their friendship,
"Michael & Mariah Carey recorded a duet for Carey’s 2002 album Charmbracelet. The song, titled ‘Satisfy’ didn’t make the cut for Carey’s album and has yet to be leaked or released."
One more tidbit,
"a bit of info i came upon, randomly, on another board ....michael's song threatened was/is rumoured to be a jab @ tommy motolla.. specifically these lyrics
"every time your lady speaks ,she speaks of me half of me you'll never be,so you should feel threatened"
the lady(rumour has it)- mariah carey"
Take the information however you want to take it. My motto, when it comes to Michael and women is, "you never know with this dude when it comes to women."
Cece Pennison was a popular singer back in the early 1990s. She had a hit song called "Finally" and she never had a hit after that. During the height of her popularity, she stated years later on a show that Michael gave her flowers because he thought that she was pretty.
Janet Zeution is a make up artist/stylist who has worked with Michael since the late 1980s. Janet was also Janet Jackson's stylist/make up artist. However, in the MJ fan community, Janet will always be known as the woman who was lucky enough to have Michael flirt with her during the behind the scenes of his short film, "Stranger in Moscow". Michael promoted her from stylist to production coordinator job during the 1990s.
Jane Pratt is a radio show host who founded the magazines Sassy and Jane back in the 1990s. Jane also has an online magazine called www.xojane.com. Jane met Michael back in 1995 when she did a correspondent job for the entertainment show Extra. Here is video of it:
After Michael passed away, David Gest revealed in an interview that Michael had a crush on Kelly Rowland.
Michael had made it no secret that he adored Beyonce and she the same.
Kai Chase stated on an interview she did with Access Hollywood that Michael looked at a certain part of her body.
"KC: I turn around and His head was turn and he was looked right up my tocuhe. (laughs)
BB: (laughs) So, I guess we can say that the King of Pop was looking at another menu at the same time.
KC: (laughs) I think so."
Update 09/06/2017: I wanted to add new information that I read about months ago on this blog entry. There is a book called "Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'" written by Fipro Carr and Janis DaSilva. This book was done as a response to Shana Mangatal's fable book. On page 70, Janis stated this about Michael, women and him and engagement in the 1990s,
"According to Janis, his private dating, love affairs and related romantic engagements included wining and dining these stunningly gorgeous women as he took them on expensive trips to exotic places. Janis also revealed that the King of Pop was at one time engaged to an African artist in 1993."This is interesting.
Hip Hop Weekly, A Tribute to Michael Jackson 1958-2009. An interview with Teddy Riley, pages 58-60.
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Updates on Shana Mangatal (one from 5/28/2017)
Information from Flo Anthony:
Some of the pictures come from my personal harddrive and most came from a google.com search.